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| like i said... about a half browse our catalogues which isn't the very very small numbers that you mentioned. indeed more would end up as customers but we don't deliver again if they haven't ordered after 5 or 6 visits. we also make extremely good income from the catalogue side of the business (roughly about £1500 a month). the rest of our income (about another £1000) is a bonus payment from Kleeneze for our team development. so its certainly not true that we earn a pittance from just retailing. but yes its true many people do quit before realising the massive potential of the business they are in. home shopping is the fastest growing trend in the retail sector right now. we earn more than the person who brought us into the business and will soon earn more than their sponsor. therefore a 'pyramid' association is also wrong. pyramid schemes were made illegal years ago. what you put in to the business is what you get out irrespective of the length of time you have been in or how high up the chain you are. we are all self employed which is why there is no central register of who really doesn't want a catalogue. it would also be illegal to pass on peoples preferences via a database to other distributors. i cannot speak for other distributors but it is certainly not our intention to wind people up and we, personally, always respect peoples wishes.
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about 20% who eventually end up as customers. Therefore 80% of people do not buy from your catalogues. So by your own admission the vast majority of people are not interested in buying from your catalogues. Even if 50% do 'browse' the other half have absolutely no interest in your catalogues whatsoever and you are inconveniencing them unnecessarily. I am certain that the agents in my area are not earning anything like the figures you quote. If they did why would they continually quit after only a couple of months? Perhaps you prefer to call it a Multi Level Marketing Scheme or something similar. Type 'Kleeneze' into Google and you will find literally hundreds of web sites similar to yours all promising to make you get rich quick. Look at some of these titles: traineemillionaires.co.uk ezeincome.co.uk theroutetoriches.com None of these websites sell Kleeneze products do they? It is all about recruiting people into Kleeneze. Believe it or not I do have some sympathy for these 'recruits'. I know they are only trying to make a honest living. You may be lucky and have an area where you have a good customer base and can make a living out of Kleeneze. Where I live we are saturated with agents, remember it is not just Kleeneze there is Betterware, Avon etc. As I said I started off playing the game and leaving the catalogues out, but when you are swamped with them and your requests for them to stop are ignored the novelty soon wears off. I know that there are plenty of others in my area who feel the same way. So it's no surprise to me that new agents get fed up when, having shelled out for a load of catalogues, 'Victor Meldrews' like me throw them in the bin. Unfortunately I have found that binning them the best way to ensure that you don't get another one. At least until the next agent comes along in a couple of months time. If Kleeneze and the other catalogue companies wanted to improve their public image they could use a voluntary preference scheme. The way the TPS and MPS work is that a central database holds the names of people who do not wish to receive unsolicited telephone calls or mail. Companies wishing to send out mailshots or make cold calls must first check with these database that the people they wish to contact have not opted out. It would not be difficult and would not be illegal to set up such a scheme for catalogues.
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| none of these sites promise 'get rich quick' schemes. you have to put the effort in first just like any other business. having said that... to be financially independent in 5 years compared to a 40 year long employment (if you're lucky) sounds pretty fast to me. betterware and avon have little affect on our sales to be honest. you make excuses or you make money in Kleeneze its as black and white as that. we have spent 4 years building our customer base and our team and we have worked extremely hard, as have all the successful Kleeneze business leaders. we don't make any money from the recruiting process and not enough from the ones that start and quit quickly to make a difference. our income is based on helping others to build their businesses. its like anything in life... e.g. losing weight and joining a gym... most quit in the first few months. because it is a different concept to 'a job' some people are unable to self motivate themselves. also we could do it in any area of the country whether other agents are present or not, we don't live in a lucky area, we have had good pickups and bad ones but it all averages itself out eventually. whether a scheme similar to telephone or mail preference could be introduced... i don't know, perhaps it could, i'm not really qualified to say, its probably an issue for the DSA. I just love my business and its the best thing i've ever been involved in so naturally i sing its praises... Steve
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| You said: caiste (11/07/2006)
none of these sites promise 'get rich quick' schemes.
And then you said: caiste (11/07/2006)
be financially independent in 5 years compared to a 40 year long employment
That sounds like a promise to get rich quick to me! Here is an alternative view from an ex Kleeneze agent. Please read item 5. (Which incidentally rather contradicts your 'only 1% get binned' theory) Steve I admire your commitment and respect anybody's right to try and earn an honest living. I just wish you could do it without creating this situation.
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Where I live in north Horsham, we now have 2 kleeneze and 2 betterware agents doing their stuff. The latest kleeneze catalogue came through the letterbox last Thursday to be collected on Monday (a good 4 days out on my door step, what a pain!) I have had 2 betterware catalogues from 2 different agents at the same time in the last few weeks. This shows that there cannot be any area management and it's just a free for all and a money making exercise by the people at the top of the tree. What is happening at the bottom of the tree they really don't care about, they just exploit it.
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4 days on your doorstep Andy your are far too kind. I would not put up with that they would go straight in the bin. I was told that Betterware supposedly aren't supposed to have more than one agent in any given area but apparently with Kleenze they don't care if they poach each others territories. You are right about some of these agents being exploited. I almost feel sorry for them. These claims like "be financially independent in 5 years" are a joke. You sure aren't going to do by just delivering catalogues. The only way they are going to make big money is by recruiting lots of other people into the company. If every body tries to recruit other people they are soon going to run out of people to recruit. (Even after all your friends, neighbours and family have been milked) So no matter what they call like to call it, these companies have a pyramid like structure. Only the ones at the top will get rich (at the expense of the others and much to the inconvenience of people like you and me). ps I haven't had any catalogues for a while. My Victor Meldrew style rants must be working. For now................
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How desperate can these people get? I recently found a business card for a "home catalogue delivery opportunity" stuck to the back of a toilet door in Pease Pottage Services. Surely this must be utter desperation for people to stoop so low in the quest to recruit a new "agent". The business in question was I think the one begining with "K", they didn't give the name on the card but a bit of investigation on the internet has linked the phone number to them. Where will these people look to next for "business" (OK, cheap toilet joke!)
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